HF110 - Struggles in Israel (Part 3)
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From: "Pastor Buddy Martin" <Bro.Buddy@ChristianChallenge.org>
Date: Tues, 27 Jan 2004
Subject: Bible Study HF110 - Struggles in Israel (Part 3)
Hebraics,
Our first study of this series dealt with issues in Israel between the secular Jew and the religious Jew. (Jesus has His part in all this.) In the second study we saw how religion often interferes with a true relationship with Jesus Christ. This can happen even in Christianity.
In this final study I will be make comparisons to both Talmudic Judaism and Islam, to show how very different they are from true Biblical Christianity. You will see how close and yet how far Islam is from true faith in Jesus. You will also see how Talmudic Judaism has served to deceive the Jewish people concerning the gospel of Jesus. (Yet Jews by the 1000s are turning to Jesus in spite of the writings of the rabbis.)
A major part of this 3rd study is excerpts from the writings of Talmudic Judaism, and from the writings of Islam. However, there is a point I wish to make. This study is not intended to be anti- Muslim or anti-Jew. Its chief design is to allow you to see how these two monothiestic religions disturb and distort the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
This is Bible Study HF110 - Struggles in Israel (Part 3)
Let's begin with the fall of Adam. Here is the conversation:
[Lord] "Where are you?"
[Adam] "I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself."
[Lord] "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?"
[Adam] "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate."
Certain things stand out in the fuller conversation between the Lord, Adam and Eve, and Satan. One is where Adam places the blame of the fall entirely on Eve. And Eve has suffered ever since, especially when it comes to religion.
Another thing that stands out is that here is where we find the stage being set for the redemption of the human family. It will take place through God's Deliverer. The Deliverer will be virgin born.
Perhaps it should go without saying that men and women are very different in many respects. It is in our differences that we can say women are not equal to men. It is also in this sense that we can say men are not equal to women. The issue of equality is not a thing of worth. It has to do with our God-given roles.
What is to follow will consist largely of excerpts from the primary writings of Biblical Christianity, Talmudic Judaism, and the religion of Islam. (The excerpts are not in any particular order as to subject.) You can see for yourself how religion has managed to mar the truths of God.
(1) Biblical Christianity (Old and New Testament) ---
"For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one n Christ Jesus." (Gal3:27,28)
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boats. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them." (Eph2:8-10)
"Thomas answered and said to Him, 'My Lord and my God.'" (John 20:28)
"'I am the Alpha and the Omega,' says the Lord God, 'who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.'" (Rev1:8)
"You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered." (1 Peter 3:7)
"Greetings favored one! The Lord is the with you." ... "The angel answered and said to her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)
"He who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord." (Pro18:22)
"An excellent wife is the crown of her husband, but she who shames him is like rottenness in his bones." (Pro12:4)
Note: Since most of you are well familiar with the Scriptures I will leave off Biblical quotations for now and give room for quotations from the Talmud and the Koran/hadith.
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(2) Talmudic Judaism (Talmud & related writings.) ---
Note: Jesus is often referred to in the Talmud’s under names such as Balaam, Pandira, Jeshu, Gehazi, Ben Stada, etc., as an attempt to disfavor Him. It was also an attempt to remove any true understanding of Him from the people. These were sort of code words that the rabbis understood and used. The following excerpts are of no particular order:
"A male should not walk between two females or two dogs or two pigs. In the same manner the males should not allow a woman, dog or pig to walk between them." [Rule 8 in Chapter 3 of the Kitzur Shulhan Aruch for Jews with little talmudic education.]
"In the beginning a prophet, in the end a deceiver [Jesus]. Rab Papa said, 'This is that which they say, she [Mary] played the harlot with carpenters.'" (b. Sanh. 106)
"R. Abahu said: If a man say to thee, 'I am God,' he is a liar; if he says, 'I am the son of man,' in the end people will laugh at him; if he says, 'I will go up to heaven,' he saith, but shall not perform it." (Taanith 65)
"Onqelos bar Qaloniqos, sister's son of Titus, desired
to become a proselyte. .... He called up Jesus by necromancy.
He said to him, 'Who is honoured in this world?' He [Jesus]
replied, 'Israel.' 'What about joining them?' He [Jesus]
replied, 'Seek their good, seek not their harm. Every one who
injures them, it is as if he injured the apple of his eye.' He
said, 'What is the punishment of this man?' He [Jesus]
replied, 'By boiling filth.' For a teacher has said, 'Every
one who mocks at the words of the wise [speaking of the
rabbis] is punished by boiling filth.' Come and see the
difference between the sinners of Israel and the prophets of
the peoples of the world who serve a false religion
[Christians].'" [b. Gitt. 56,57 - Modern Talmud’s do
not mention Jesus by same.]
"On the eve of Pesah they hung Jeshu the Nazarene. And
the crier went forth before him forty days saying, 'Jeshu the
Nazarene goeth forth to be stoned, because he hath practiced
magic and deceived and led astray Israel. Any one who knoweth
aught inn his favour, let him come and declare concerning
him.' And they found naught in his favour ..... He was a
deceiver, and the Merciful hath said, Thou shall not spare,
neither shall thou conceal him. But it was
different with Jeshu the Nazarene, for he was near to the
kingdom." (b. Sanh. 43 - This passage was removed from
later editions of the Talmud.)
Note: Since the Talmud is a vast library of writings by the rabbis; I'll simply share smatterings of things that are found there:
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men" Gentile women are designation as 'she-asses.')
Jews are Divine, Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status, Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Sanhedrin 106 refers to the early age of the death of Jesus: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."
Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians ("minim") and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Sanhedrin 55b and Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old). A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.
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(3) Islam (Koran/Hadith) ---
Koran/Hadith: "The Prophet said, 'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The woman said, 'Yes.' He said, 'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.'" (Hadith 3.48.826)
"The Prophet said, 'If a man invites his wife to sleep with him and she refuses to come to him, then the angels send their curses on her till morning.'" (hadith 7.62.121)
Note: With regard to sexual issues the woman is to give herself fully to the whim of the man, including the time of giving birth.
"The Prophet said: 'I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful.' It was asked, 'Do they disbelieve (ungrateful to) in Allah?' He replied, 'They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them.'" (hadith 1.2.28)
"They [Jews] claim, 'We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the Apostle of God.' But they killed him not, nor did they crucify him. They were under the illusion that they had. Those who differ about this matter are full of doubts. They have no real knowledge but follow only conjecture. Assuredly, they did not kill him. On the contrary, God raised him to himself, and God is all-powerful, all- wise. And there are none of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before his death. On the Day of Resurrection he [Jesus] will be a witness against them." (Sura 4:157-159)
Note: Islam teaches that Jesus was not crucified but that God made someone to look like Jesus. It was this 'look alike' that was crucified.
"Christ, the son of Mary as no more than an Apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him." (Sura 5:75)
"They say, 'The Most Gracious has taken a son!' Indeed they [Christians] have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin, that they should invoke a son for The Most Gracious that He should take a son." (19:88-92)
"People of the Book [Christians], do not go to unwarranted lengths in your religion and get involved in false utterances relating to God. Truly, Jesus, Mary's son, was the messenger of God and His Word - the word which He imparted to Mary - and a spirit from Him. Believe, then, in God and His apostles and do not talk of three (gods). You are well advised to abandon such ideas. Truly God is one God. Glory be to Him, He is above having a son, to Him belong all things in the heavens and the earth, and He is the one and only guardian." (4:171)
"Say: 'If the All-Merciful [God] had a son, I [Mohammed] would be the first to worship [him].' Glory be to the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne, beyond all the attributes they ascribe." (43:81-82)
"Do not argue with the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] but in the best possible way, except in the case of those among them who have been unjust. Say: 'We believe in what has been sent down to use and sent down to you. Our God and your God is One, and we are surrendered to Him [lit. 'we are muslims to Him'] (29:46)
"Will you [O Muslims] entertain the hope that they [the Jews] will believe you? Don't you know that a party of them heard the Word of God, and distorted it knowingly after they understood it?" (2:75 - Incudes reference to the Talmud)
"Mu'adh saw Christians bowing before their archbishops and bishops. He said to himself that God's Apostle [Mohammed] is worthier of being exalted in such a way. When he came back [to Arabia], he said, 'O Apostle of God, I have seen that Christians bow before their archbishops and bishops. I have said to myself that you are worthier of being exalted.' He said, 'If I had to command anyone to bow I would order the woman to bow to her husband. The woman does not fulfill her duties towards God until she has entirely fulfilled her duties towards her husband so that if he asked her to give herself to him even when she is in labour she would consent.'" (musnad al-kufiyyin no. 151)
"There is none born among the offspring of Adam but Satan touches it. A child, therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan, except Mary and her child." (Bukhara, anbiya 44:IV)
Note: Jesus has a very special status in Islam. He is honored as one of the greatest prophets. Mohammed spoke of his own relationship to Jesus; "I am the nearest of all people to the son of Mary, and all the prophets are paternal brothers, and there has been no prophet between me and him." Jesus is called 'the seal of the saints.' Mohammed is called 'the Seal of the Prophets.'
"God said, 'Jesus, son of Mary, did you ever say to the people, 'Adopt me and my mother as two gods in disregard to God Himself?' To which he replied, 'Glory be to you. It is not in me to say what I have no warrant for. If I had ever said such a thing You would have known it. For You know my innermost being and I do not know Yours....'" 5:116-117)
This concludes the excerpts.
The study is open for discussion.
Blessings,
Buddy
Lawrence E. (Buddy) Martin, HF Host
email: Bro.Buddy@ChristianChallenge.org
Web: http://www.christianchallenge.org/
"See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled." (Heb12:15)